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Poster: pegzmasta Date: Mar 2, 2016 6:50pm
Forum: forums Subject: 93% of forum links are not pointing to the forums

Hello Archivists, This may not be the best place to post this, but I've noticed some errors on the Internet Archive. The new version of the Archive– which I keep hearing about– may fix this, but since there is no ChangeLog or even an official announcement provided on the Internet Archive, there is no way for me to know. If the Internet Archive does maintain a ChangeLog, then please reply with a link to the file– other users may be interested in any new features or bugfixes for the Archive, as well.
It's a small bug, really...
Every forum link which is listed here contains the string "#forum" appended to it. This represents an Internal link (i.e. a link to a section on the same page; that section or header is known as the anchor). Internal links are used to save time with scrolling by allowing users to click on a link that acts like a short-cut to an anchor; however, if an element named forum does not exist, then the link will fail– this means extra navigation is required for the user. With the current HTML layout of the forum listing, the only forum links that successfully implements this type of Internal link is The Forum Forum and a few others, since there exists an anchor for it on their respective pages. The other forums require a link to the Forum tab for their associated Collection, since they use a different HTML layout that stores its forum inside of a tab. For instance, the FAQ is not a Collection and hence is not affected by this bug; however, the Text Archive is a Collection and hence is affected by this bug.
How do we fix this?
Every Collection maintains a Details page which contains 3 tabs: About, Collection, Forum. Since the forum is stored inside of a tab instead of underneath a header, the forum links should be edited to reflect that. All forum links that are associated to Collections should have the string "#forum" replaced with the string "&tab=forum". The Forum button on the Collections page allows users to make the Forum tab the active tab. In terms of HTML, the current working code looks like this (no bugs):
<div class="tabby">
<div>
<a id="tabby-forum-finder" class="stealth" href="/details/Collection-Name&tab=forum" onclick="return AJS.tabby(this,'tabby-forum')">
<div class="iconochive-comments tabby-icon" aria-hidden="true">
</div>
<span class="sr-only">comments</span> <span class="hidden-xs-span tabby-text">Forum</span>
</a>
</div></div>
Confused? Let's illustrate!
Current implementation. Links that point to the wrong place: Suggested implementation. Links that point to the right place:
Links that currently point to the right place [15+]:
Links that currently point to the wrong place [187+]:
Every other forum link sends the user to the Collection tab of a Collection, instead of the Forum tab. I will not list them, since there are simply too many of them that fail. To retrieve a list of all the forum links that fail, execute a command similar to the following:
lynx -source https://archive.org/iathreads/forums.php | grep '^[ ]*<tr>.*/details/' |
sed 's_.*href=.*">\(.*\)</a>.*_\1_' | sort
There also exists 10 blank forums listed on the Archive. Sort alphabetically to find them, or list them with a command similar to the following:
lynx -source https://archive.org/iathreads/forums.php | grep 'href=""'
There exists 212 forums listed on the Internet Archive; 10 of which are blank; 15 of which point to the right place; as well as, 187 of which that do not point to the right place. That means that only 7% of the forum links bring users to the proper destination, while 93% do not. The Wayback Machine Forum requires special attention, though; the one listed on the forums page simply links to the Wayback Machine– not the actual forum page, and no other link can be found on the Archive to get there. I had to use an external search engine, DuckDuckGo, in order to find the Wayback Machine Forum– this is what I mean by extra navigation. Here is a link to the Wayback Machine Forum. The solution has nothing to do with changing the current layout of the Archive, and nothing to do with API's– it's merely a few spelling mistakes in terms of HTML. Since the error is simple, I'm sure the fix will be simple. I welcome your feedback, Michael Pagan E-Mail: mailto:michael.pagan@member.fsf.org Ps: The FAQ still contains an error that has yet to be fixed (it has been identified by at least 2 users, thus far). The error is a duplicate line of text that should be replaced with an appropriate solution to its preceding question. This error can be seen by executing a command similar to the following:
lynx -dump https://archive.org/about/faqs.php | grep -v '^$' | uniq -D

This post was modified by pegzmasta on 2016-03-03 02:50:26

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Poster: Jeff Kaplan Date: Mar 3, 2016 6:46am
Forum: forums Subject: Re: 93% of forum links are not pointing to the forums

i'll see if i can get the links on https://archive.org/iathreads/forums.php changed.

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Poster: pegzmasta Date: Mar 9, 2016 7:29pm
Forum: forums Subject: Re: 93% of forum links are not pointing to the forums

I finally found the ChangeLog (I didn't know it existed until I randomly encountered it while reading some past forum posts): <http://archive.org/CHANGELOG.txt> The lead programmer of IA, Tracey Jaquith, implemented a specific change to the forums about one year ago involving CGI arguments for the tabby div class– the same moment v2.1 of IA was released. Here it is directly from the ChangeLog: 
[3/21/15, 11:10:12 PM] tracey:
========================  MAJOR archive v2.1 RELEASE  ============================  

[collection pages]:
Major update to how Tabs (eg: [About] [Collection] [Forum]) are done.
Now we use/cause CGI-arg changes (not hash/anchors) -- for modern browsers it is dynamic and not a full page load, too!
This allows users to bookmark any wanted Tab to be opened on page load, on browser "back" and "fwd", etc.
So for example, you can now sort and/or infin scroll to some result set in [Collection] tab,
then click on [Forum] tab, then click browser , and you are exactly where you were for modern browsers.
(More like this coming in future for sort/facet changes and only reloading parts of pages instead of full page load).
Now send clients only set of items they are seeing -- should be a bit faster/less playload and less CSS/JS load.
(previously sent all four sets for prior 4 "SORT BY" options, and used JS to toggle unhide whichever sort was wanted).
It is noted here that as of March 21, 2015 @ 11:10:12 PM, that [collection pages] shall no longer use the "hash/anchors." The CGI-arg can be provided automatically once the forum problem affecting the Collections has been solved. Once it's solved, the forums will operate more efficiently and save users more time, since they will no longer be sent to the wrong tab and be required to find a link to the forum (i.e. the
comments Forum button). I have not found a bug reporting facility for the Internet Archive; thus, the initial post for this thread is my Bug Report. As a feature request, can we install a Bug Reporting Tool that actively tracks the status of a bug for the Archive's website? This would be a tool that users can use to submit any errors that they find on the website, where they can easily illustrate a problem that can not be solved by the FAQ. Last thing, can we also update the ChangeLog to indicate all the latest changes; the last update was on April of last year– either the Internet Archive has been error-free for almost an entire year OR the file has been neglected. After viewing several forum posts (I won't list them, unless to make a point) identifying errors and seeing admins replying that the changes are under way, this leads me to believe that the file simply needs to be updated. This is important, because the changes indicated in the ChangeLog help to show the progress that the Internet Archive is making– from a technological standpoint. This is the one file that can actively declare which features were added, which bugs were fixed, and more! I've never spoken to tracey before, but after reading this file I can see that she and her team have put in a lot of effort in this site. Let's work together to ensure that the Archive is more responsive now that V2 is almost official! Please keep us updated about the below issues that have been identified via this thread:
  • Issue 1– forum links should link to forums
  • Issue 2– duplicate lines of text should be fixed in the FAQ
  • Issue 3– the ChangeLog should record ALL programmatic changes to the Internet Archive, in order to show progress and to inform users when features were implemented, and when which bugs were fixed
I welcome your feedback, Michael Pagan E-Mail: mailto:michael.pagan@member.fsf.org
This post was modified by pegzmasta on 2016-03-10 03:29:59

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Poster: pegzmasta Date: Apr 4, 2016 12:21pm
Forum: forums Subject: Re: <b><font color="#008000">100%</font></b> of forum links <i>will be</i> pointing to the forums… <b>Problem Solved!</b>

Scroll to the bottom to read The Fast Version of this post!
We love free/libre Movies, E-Books, Music, and all sorts of things. We love Grateful Dead, Old Time Radio, and BitTorrent (sorry if I didn't mention your favourite thing), etc.; however, these things shall always remain relevant and archived. Our very community is slowly degrading through various "improvements"… questions are ignored, whenever it's about a certain something; identified problems remain unsolved, whenever it's about a certain something; finally, while feedback is always constant, development and bugfixes remain at a standstill, whenever it's about a certain something. That certain something is…
forums
Key music…
(The freedom way to play the file): mpv --fs $(youtube-dl -g "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bu2iW5HAg7s") In this post, links surrounded in double green braces (i.e. {{ this is a pretend link }}) represent links that you'll need to click on in order to download and install the solution– everything else is for informational purposes only!
Hello there fellow Forumites, and welcome! After witnessing the Forum banner above and recognizing the author of this post: I'm sure you're well aware of what the theme of this post is going to be about, so I won't insult your intelligence by repeating what you already know. What you may not already know, is that the forum problem is a multi-part problem and that it won't be solved in one strike. It will be solved step-by-step… part-by-part. Today, I declare that one of these parts shall be dissolved into nothingness, as I shall have you cast a spell on your web browsers for the sake of the Internet Archive. This will be one of those rare posts where I do not ask any questions. That is, because this post isn't about asking questions: It's about answering them; it's not about ignoring problems: It's about solving them; so, let's answer– let's solve! In order for you to understand how I reached this solution, I must insert you into my train of thought: You see… I got tired of waiting for bugfixes and changes that I knew wasn't coming, so I decided to see if there was software that would allow a fix to be made onto the forums (unlike the magic command I introduced in an earlier post, this would be a convenient, in-browser solution that anyone could apply). If whoever was in charge of making changes to "archive.org" refused to make the changes server-side, then why not simply make the changes client-side… is what I thought! A simple solution that could be applied in merely a tenth of the time than it would take for you to read this post; in at least 5 clicks, and one of the forum problems would be vanquished! Now, I have your attention… This very document that's being served to your web browser is written in HTML; it's style and appearance is dictated via Cascading Style Sheets; these 2 markup languages and the data they govern, themselves, can be manipulated and given functionality via JavaScript… that is the key! Imagine, if you could add in your own custom user script to your browser for whichever website: You could alter Beta (v2) and transform it back into Classic; you could restore The lost village green; and finally, you could fix forum links (today's task). This concept is known as Augmented browsing. It sounds complex, but even a monkey can do it; in fact, we need a monkey in order to utilize this concept… {{ Greasemonkey }} (download and install through the Greasespot homepage). There shall be no flame wars, but I must proclaim: If you use a web browser that is NOT Firefox (might I suggest a {{ a free/libre derivative }} for those who haven't switched, yet) or Chrome, then you are using an inferior browser for viewing the Internet Archive. If you persist in using an inferior web browser, then you'll need to conduct further reading on Cross-browser user scripting (Chrome is the next choice after Firefox and derivatives, and has the highest compatibility for augmenting your web experience; other web browsers may not provide you enough freedom to do such things). Greasemonkey allows you to manage your user scripts– there exists thousands of user scripts that can tailor how you want any specific website to behave and look when you enter it. Today, it's our turn to try, and we'll be using a script called {{ Linx Amender }} (click on the [ Install ] button on that page to add it to Greasemonkey). This script is Free Software– just like Greasemonkey is (extra kudos goes to TimidScript for releasing this user script as Free Software, so we can all use it in freedom), and it will allow us to fix the forum links on the Internet Archive. Once you've installed Greasemonkey and added Lynx Amender to it: Press F9 on your keyboard (this will pull-up the user interface for Lynx Amender); afterwords, select the Online Rules button on the bottom of the interface. Now you'll see a list of rules that has been submitted online for anyone to use. Scroll all the way to the bottom, and you'll find one of the rules that I've submitted to TimidScript: Internet Archive: Fix forum links for archive.org. Click on the "Enabled" button, so that it is now active and coloured green; afterwords, click on the purple "Attrib" button to the right in order to open the forums page in a new tab (you may exit Lynx Amender in the previous tab at this stage). Click on any link, even the Wayback Machine Forum and even the links that I've identified in my initial thread as a "Bad link", and you'll find that they all point to the proper destination. Link efficiency has gone from 3%, all the way up to 100% in one fell-swoop, and will remain that way for as long as you have Greasemonkey and Lynx Amender installed! If this solved the problem for you, be vocal about it and let me know; if you are too reserved and don't know how to reply to this: Simply reply with Problem Solved! Like I said, this only solves part of the forum problem. Stay tuned, and I'll inform you if I find more solutions (or if I manage to create any solutions).
The Fast Version!

EDIT: The forum links are not fixed in the user's library ("My Library"). I've just added a new URL to the rule for Lynx Amender, and TimidScript will be updating it soon (I'll re-edit this post when it is complete). Keep an eye out for the updated post via the Most recent posts link; there will be instructions under "EDIT:" for how to trigger the update. EDIT: The Online Rules for Lynx Amender has been updated to also fix forum links in the user's library. Press "ALT + F9" to trigger Lynx Amender to force an update to the rules it has; you should do this if you applied my solution before this post was updated. The rule will fix forum links whenever you enter from one of the below URL/REGEX's (essentially, all forum links will be fixed no matter where you are located in the Archive– even your user profile):
  • ^https://archive.org/post/.*
  • ^https://archive.org/details/\@.*
  • @https://archive.org/iathreads/forums.php
  • ^https://archive.org/iathreads/forum-display.php.*
  • ^https://archive.org/search.php\?query=forumPost.*
  • ^https://archive.org/iathreads/posts-display-new.php.*

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Poster: Jeff Kaplan Date: Apr 5, 2016 12:57pm
Forum: forums Subject: Re: <b><font color="#008000">100%</font></b> of forum links <i>will be</i> pointing to the forums… <b>Problem Solved!</b>

forum urls have been fixed:
https://archive.org/iathreads/forums.php

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Poster: pegzmasta Date: Apr 5, 2016 3:28pm
Forum: forums Subject: Re: <b><font color="#008000">100%</font></b> of forum links <i>will be</i> pointing to the forums… <b>Problem Solved!</b>

> forum urls have been fixed: > https://archive.org/iathreads/forums.php I've temporarily turned off Lynx Amender, and it appears that you are mostly correct. The Wayback Machine Forum has not been fixed, though. I find it interesting that the change was made 1 day after I had already posted my solution… interesting. Of course, it doesn't surprise me that this problem was fixed in a days time (I knew this could be done), since the problem was merely spelling mistakes. A regular expression that globally replaces the improper string with the correct string solves the problem. If the change wasn't made server side, then the problem is still solved nonetheless via Lynx Amender. I am glad that part of the forum problem has been solved, but imagine if a normal user had brought this to the Archive's attention? Would they have gone through the same lengths as I have to convince the Archive that it's a problem? Probably not. If such a person was not motivated enough to persuade the Archive to fix it, would it have been fixed? Probably not. After not being updated on the problem and learning that many questions were being left unanswered, would a normal user proceed to solve the problem himself? Probably not. I only ponder about this, because instead of fixing the problem today after my solution post (there's no dispute: it is ironic), it could've been fixed a month ago after my bug report post. If I write another solution post that restores the Classic Interface via a Firefox plugin, will it magically appear as a selectable theme on the main site the next day? The next week? Who knows… Also, seeing as you've read my posts, you must know that the forum problem has many unanswered questions. Will they be answered, or will they forever remain open-ended questions? I ask, because they involve other bugs… perhaps bugs that can also be fixed in a similar fashion as the forum links that were fixed today. If browsing through my posts is too daunting of a task, then I can repeat those questions (every question should have an answer, right; especially if they involve bugs, right?). Last thing: I mentioned it before, but not as detailed. Below is a list of broken/censored forum links. If they are merely test forums, then can they be removed? If they are not test forums and the links are just broken, then can we restore those forums?
This post was modified by pegzmasta on 2016-04-05 22:28:07

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Poster: Jeff Kaplan Date: Apr 5, 2016 4:13pm
Forum: forums Subject: Re: <b><font color="#008000">100%</font></b> of forum links <i>will be</i> pointing to the forums… <b>Problem Solved!</b>

the wayback form will not be surfaced. that will remain as is. the others will be deleted at some point. they are for collections that no longer exist.
This post was modified by Jeff Kaplan on 2016-04-05 23:13:48

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Poster: pegzmasta Date: Apr 5, 2016 5:47pm
Forum: forums Subject: Re: <b><font color="#008000">100%</font></b> of forum links <i>will be</i> pointing to the forums… <b>Problem Solved!</b>

> the others will be deleted at some point. they are for collections that no longer exist. I had a feeling these forums belonged to collections that have since been removed (I couldn't find them), so I have no qualms on this decision. Eventually, I'm sure they'll be removed from the forum listing– even though this is an "archive." > the wayback form will not be surfaced. that will remain as is. This doesn't make any sense! There have been 13 posts in this forum just this year; meaning it is still active. One user, in particular, is experimenting with the wayback-cdx-server API; if no user was interested in the Wayback Machine, then there would've been no posts in this forum this year, and users wouldn't be experimenting with the Wayback Machine software. However… users are using this forum, and they are experimenting with this software! Seeing as the Wayback Machine is an extremely important resource, which is continuously being updated (41 commits made on the wayback GitHub portal just this year; 2,893 commits total since Oct 17, 2005; that's over a decade of development, so I'm not crazy when I say it is being continuously updated), let's keep the forum up, and let's restore the link on the forums page. Please explain why the link to this forum has not been restored, yet? When you say that "forum urls have been fixed", the first link I'm obviously going to check is the Wayback Machine Forum (I did declare in my initial post that it required special attention, yet you didn't say anything about your decision then). Now is also the perfect time to explain this: Why are/were certain forums being targeted for deletion?
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Poster: Dupenhagen Moonbat Date: Apr 6, 2016 3:00pm
Forum: forums Subject: You Watch.

You watch. The moment you release the Classic Internet Archive plugin, Archive personnel will revive Classic (as an option for the "resistant to change)" and pretend it never went away.

They're the poker player who stubbornly believes you're bluffing, till all his chips are at stake.

It's comic drama at its finest.

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Poster: Dupenhagen Moonbat Date: Apr 5, 2016 3:38pm
Forum: forums Subject: *THIS* is How-wid Co-SELL

It's like the Wayback Machine has put me front and center for that one sweet moment when Frazier puts Ali on his a$$ and the (erstwhile) Champ has his first big wake up call.

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Poster: PDpolice Date: Apr 4, 2016 12:59pm
Forum: forums Subject: Re: <b><font color="#008000">100%</font></b> of forum links <i>will be</i> pointing to the forums… <b>Problem Solved!</b>

The "Fast Version" instructions worked.

Thanks very much.

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Poster: PDpolice Date: Apr 3, 2016 3:00pm
Forum: forums Subject: Re: Problem Solved!

Pegz,
This is fantastic work. And fortunately I already use Firefox. I do perceive a potential problem. Without any real data I would estimate that less than 5 percent of the IA will see or read your forum post. Of that group only a small number will understand and do the work to set things up. Some will misunderstand your work and enthusiasm. And the Archive itself will for show no interest.
Would it be possible for you to set up a page that had the links and updates and upload that page to the Internet Archive? I know you have the skill but may not have the time. It would be humorous if your working page resembled the original format. Don't forget I saved the old intro format.

https://ia601504.us.archive.org/15/items/IAmarch2016/IAmarch2016.htm

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Poster: pegzmasta Date: Apr 3, 2016 4:28pm
Forum: forums Subject: Re: Problem Solved!

Thanks for the input! I just created The Fast Version! of my post above (small bullet-point summary at the bottom of the post; for those who are not interested in knowing how the solution works, but simply want it to work). In order to deal with the problem that not many people will read my post, I've posted threads in five other forums that link back to here (one of them is in the Grateful Dead Forum, as well). The bullet-point summary above should condense all the steps I originally wrote into just 7 easy to follow steps; hopefully, this will make things easier for users to set up. The reason why I'm implementing this solution, instead of just setting up another page with a different URL with updated links, is because I don't think I can convince everyone to go to a different page in order to use an enhanced forum. Instead, I think it may be a better idea to dynamically reprogram the Archive forums itself. Everyone already knows (or at least has a basic idea) where the forums are; implementing my solution won't change it's location, but will nonetheless enhance it anyway. I'm thinking of implementing "themes" or user interface skins for the Internet Archive, so that users can choose how they want the Archive to look whenever they visit the website. 2 themes off the bat that will be in the list of themes to select, will be: Classic Interface and the Beta (v2) Interface. This approach is also better, because I won't need to maintain my own server in order to use this solution; I won't clone the Archive, I'll just reprogram it (a much easier task). Of course, this will not happen anytime soon (I will update and post a new thread, when I officially start this particular project). > It would be humorous if your working page resembled the original format. Regardless of what I said above, I will be uploading a fixed forums page to the Archive (it will look like the original forums– colours and all). More updates later on, though.
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Poster: Dupenhagen Moonbat Date: Apr 3, 2016 10:05pm
Forum: forums Subject: Re: Problem Solved!

The Three Musketeers strike again! (PDp, pegz, and Dupes) You cats have made my day, week, and month! As a proud Early Adopter of your Greasemonkey and Linx Amender scripts (and the actually working https://archive.org/iathreads/forums.php page they provide), I can say I'm looking forward to many hours of usage and enjoyment of the Archive. I especially look forward to the Classic skin, as Internet Archive "Your Way" (as in freedom to choose) is the *only* way. Many thanks for this excellent work, pegz!
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Poster: pegzmasta Date: Apr 3, 2016 8:01pm
Forum: forums Subject: Re: Problem Solved!

Many thanks! Most of the work comes from TimidScript (without him, I would've been forced to write a new script), but I can easily envision a working site with "themes" involved– I simply have to write a new script (others can do the same as well, or we can pool our efforts). As I took the week off last week, I pondered… there's no way I'm going to clone the Archive, and set up a new server so that I can fix mere spelling mistakes! Eventually, I discovered Augmented browsing and had an "Aha" moment: Simply reprogram the website client-side using extensions that anyone can just freely download; forget servers; forget database access. TimidScript has told me that he is working on updating Lynx Amender and that with version 4 "you will be able to share your own personal rules with the world or to certain individuals through online synchronization and sharing." That means that in the future, Lynx Amender will allow for user customization on the Internet Archive via a variety of different rules. That's later on in the future, though, so in the meantime I'll also write a new user script for the Archive, as well.
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Poster: pegzmasta Date: Mar 15, 2016 4:07pm
Forum: forums Subject: <span class="iconochive-warning" style="color:#FF0000;"></span> Re: <b><font color="#FF0000">97%</font></b> of forum links are not pointing to the forums!

For those who are wondering why I bumped the number up from 93% to 97%: Continue Reading… I made a mistake! Turns out there are more than 212 forums listed on the Internet Archive. You can manually count how many forums are listed, but it's simply easier to command your computer to do it for you; thus, I used the following command which reports there to be 213 forums listed in the Archive (I was off by one):
lynx -source https://archive.org/iathreads/forums.php | grep '^[ ]*<tr>.*/[ia].*/' | sed 's_.*href=.*">\(.*\)</a>.*_\1_' | wc -l
What's strange is that the Archive Statistics (be patient; may take a little while to load) reports that there are 383 forums in the Archive. Too lazy to scroll and find the number? Execute the following command:
lynx -dump https://archive.org/about/stats.php | grep 'Number of forums' | gawk -F': ' '{ print $2 }'
213 forums are listed on the forums page; however, the "stats" indicate that there are 170 more forums. Either the "stats" that are auto-generated by the Archive contains a bug that prevents it from counting the forums properly, OR there exists 170 forums that are being hidden from the community. If it's a statistics bug: Can you please fix it by having the statistics report the correct number? If the forums are hidden: Can you please restore the links by adding them back to the forum listing? If there does exist an additional 170 forums on the Archive, that would bump up the number of failed forum links from 93% to 97%– that's almost a 100% failure rate (that's bad). Let's do the math! As identified in my initial post, only 15 forum links currently work in the Internet Archive. The quantity of 15 divided by 213 multiplied by 100, equals 7%. With the newly discovered error: The divisor changes to 383, which gives us a quotient of 0.0391645 (I'm truncating it down to 0.03, for simplicity's sake); multiplying by 100 gives us a product of 3%. That means that only 3% of the forum links bring users to the proper destination, while 97% do not. The point of this post is that the bare minimum amount of forum links that are working (3%) is NOT good enough for the needs of the community that use the Internet Archive everyday in search for answers. We should be striving for 100% efficiency– not 3% efficiency! Don't ignore this post– actually read what I have to say, and please respond. Today is the day of reckoning for certain users now that beta is here, and I'm sure they will vote with their feet. I challenge the Archive to correct these errors and to respond in order to keep our invaluable users, for it is they who make the Internet Archive what it is today– not just the admins who maintain it! Here's a brief eulogy for our soon to be forgotten interface: out with old, in with the new; goodbye Classic Interface, we hardly knew you… On a side note: Thanks for fixing Issue 2 identified in this post.
This post was modified by pegzmasta on 2016-03-15 23:07:52

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Poster: PDpolice Date: Mar 15, 2016 6:40pm
Forum: forums Subject: Re: <span class="iconochive-stop" style="color:#FF0001;"></span> Re: <b><font color="#FF0001">Forums are not the forums!</font></b>

Pegz,
More than likely this good work of yours will be hidden and/or lost to the new version. It is only due to my preparedness that I could find this posting. Based on my view of past IA actions they have little interest in the 'community' outside the GD.
Good luck Don, I know I will miss the 'community' and posts such as yours.

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Poster: pegzmasta Date: Mar 15, 2016 7:29pm
Forum: forums Subject: Re: <span class="iconochive-stop" style="color:#FF0001;"></span> Re: <b><font color="#FF0001">Forums are not the forums!</font></b>

I am feeling the sense of goodbye in several forum posts, and I've only been a member for 3 months now. In the short time that I've been a member, I've grown to love the community. I want to swing back the tide of "going away, since ignorance is taking the reigns", to the tide of "welcome to IA, a place that serves the Internet and all it's users… a place that cares." This is why I've decided to provoke a response from the admins and Archivists: To find out which direction they want the tides to steer towards. Not everything can be seen as Black and White, but sometimes that is the only way something can be seen– clarity will occur when a decision is made public about this particular matter. Now is there chance to show whether they are willing to work on issues that are directly affecting the community of IA, or whether they could care less (by ignoring posts). Will Archivists jump aboard on this conversation? Will the alarming (you are literally seeing red and warning signs for a reason) errors be fixed? Will important features be restored? Will this very thread gather enough attention to register as "Feedback"? As I've said before… Time will tell which is the case; however, time has already run out for certain users. They will only stay if they are reassured that the Ides of March, are good tides– not bad tides.
This post was modified by pegzmasta on 2016-03-16 02:29:17